Interest-free City Loans! With a catch.

One of the buzzerati in this post combed through the Mayor of Minneapolis’s recent budget address, and found an interesting detail. Well, perhaps that’s the wrong word. Here’s the paragraph:

"Beyond connecting people to jobs and preparing future workers, we need to continue creating more jobs by also supporting our entrepreneurs and small business owners, who are responsible for half of all new jobs created. We’ll support these small businesses with more than $4.7 million dollars of business financing tools that provide:

* market-rate loans for job creation,

* low-interest loans to purchase equipment or make building improvements,

* loans to purchase and rehabilitate small commercial and industrial properties, and

* alternative financing loans with no interest to business owners whose religious beliefs restrict them from receiving traditional interest-based financing." (Emphasis added.)

Unless no-interest business loans are available to   religious believers whose doctrines do not forbid interest – not to mention anarchists -  this would seem to be Flamingly Unconstitutional, to use the legal term. Does one have to prove one holds this particular religious belief? Would they bring in someone to test you?  It seems absurd to expect the government to validate your piety to make sure you qualify for benefits.

Advocates of the program might argue that the program is not an example of discrimination, since loans are available to people who do not object to interest, and that the absence of a religious exemption constitutes discrimination. They do not wish to abolish loans that charge interest; they only wish that their beliefs be accommodated.

That slender postulate, one suspects, will become increasingly familiar.

The Mayor’s budget address can be found here.  (h/t buyakuren.) 


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Sharia banking

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking
Sharia banking involves very clever ways of making a profit from the loan, including making sure that the loan is fully collateralized. Is the city going to do the same thing? If not, it is offering something far more than what sharia demands.
And why is the city of Minneapolis concerned about following sharia, which will be at the expense of the taxpayer? Doesn't that violate the separation clause of the Constitution?


Nothing for nothing

I was looking into Islamic banking a few years ago -- I wanted to support multiculturalism and all, back when you could look out from atop the World Trade Center at a city that hailed from over 150 nations and spoke 200 languages. Back when you could look out from atop the World Trade Center at all, that is. Then as now, Sharia loans are interest-free in the same way shipping is free at the mattress store. Yes, this will put the city in the business of buying capital equipment to resell to the business that actually wants it (for some premium over the cost most likely identical to the amortized cost during the life of a loan with interest), but this is a side effect of the bad decision for the city to go into the banking business.


Breathtaking!

Honestly, what are they smoking? What's in that hookah at city hall?

On the East Coast we used to look to the midwest as the last bastion of common sense in troubled times. Pull yourselves together, Minnesotans! Stand fast against this blatant favoritism!


Church and State

Yes, Californians read (and love)your blog. I still have family in Minnesota; lived there for many years. When I bought my house here I wish I could have had a no interest loan based on my religious beliefs and now with a business of my own I'd love to have some free money. I find it a bit scary that the state, any state, feels comfortable accommodating religion in a way that goes far beyond simply respecting everyone's right to believe what they want. I don't think our Constitutional protection was ever meant to be stretched like spandex.


Religion Of Peace Banking Department

OK, so they don't believe in paying interest. What about receiving it? Do they turn down interest paying checking, or savings accounts?


They pay up-front fees,

They pay up-front fees, these are not exactly interest free loans, and the financing is available to any small Minneapolis business. The only slender postulate one finds here is the one that calls this "Flamingly Unconstitutional."


Only in Minneapolis

... does local government consistently raise property tax rates at double, triple and quadrupple the rate of inflation (8% annually over each of the past six years) only to offer interest-free business loans to those opposed to paying interest on religious grounds. As a taxpayer in Minneapolis, I protest. Who the hell do these liberal leaders think they are? It is the role of banks to assess the risks and lend money- NOT city government! IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY INTEREST, LET THEM POOL THEIR MONEY AND OPEN THEIR OWN BANK. I think it's about time Mpls property taxes drop to the 3% range and just cut all the crap from the budget!

Mike from Mpls.


pandering

Why is it required that we pander to only one religion? Why is one favored?

I suppose it is related to the notion that 'diversity' is more valuable than anything else, including virtue or fairness.


Mr. Lileks, I think you're

Mr. Lileks, I think you're going at this from the wrong angle. The bible condemns usary too. 30% interest rates used to be illegal and belonged only to loan sharks. Now you can get "pay day" loans everywhere and credit cards routinely raise your rate and charge extortionist fees if you're late on a DIFFERENT credit card.

I think we should all, christians, muslims, non-religious types, refuse to pay interest.


flamingly it is

Listen, unverified Anonymous: Can you honestly say you wouldn't demur at a city-run and city-financed program to provide loans only to evangelical Christians, for instance?

And if the advance fees have the same NPV as the foregone interest payments, does that mean the religiously scrupulous borrowers don't understand Econ 101, or that they hope Allah doesn't?


Still Waiting

Well, DO they accept interest payments?


Kinda no

Those Muslims who oppose interest neither pay it nor accept it, at least under the name of interest. Of course it is all sleight of hand, and enforces separation from the mainstream banking system, something that has not been historical been useful to anyone. I am also concerned about the tax implications, mostly when it comes to mortgages -- there is both massive room for fraud and a high possibility of Muslim families being shut out from the home-ownership benefits meant for all of us.


New Religion

I've just founded the Church of Gimmetology, and we believe that interest-free loans in cash with no set repayments and no penalties are the only ones we can take. If we don't get loans on our terms, we cry "1-800-SUE-THE-BUMS" and let slip the dogs of war.

I'll have ten million dollars, please, in small bills.


How can the city go the

How can the city go the legislature with its hat in hand but can come up with 4.7 million dollars for loans to one particular religious group and 120 grand for the Holidazzle? How many more cops would that money have paid for? Maybe I'll convert to Islam and apply for a loan for a holidazzle float.


"I think we should all,

"I think we should all, christians, muslims, non-religious types, refuse to pay interest."

Hey, if we can get super-special treatment from the government, then I'm in!

In fact, I'm pretty sure my religion forbids me from paying any fees of any kind on financial transactions. Gimmee money!


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