Ban Fireplaces?

Today’s old beloved item in danger of serious bannination: Wood fires.

San Francisco is debating a measure to ban wood-burning fireplaces, and you can expect a discussion on the topic here as well. I doubt the city will ban fireplaces anytime soon – it would be virtually unenforceable, unless you want to the police to take their eyes off the street and spend their shifts examining chimneys or taking tips from tattle-tale neighbors.  You’ll probably see incremental regulations that forbid fireplaces in new construction, for example. You might even see city assistance upgrading fireplaces to gas inserts, or rebates from the utilities.

What you won’t see is great public outcry if the anti-fireplace movement phrases their argument with dire hectoring screeds that make it sound like Duraflame logs belch out Zyklon-B.

Let me offer a suggestion. A good approach: fireplaces are an avoidable source of air pollution, and should be gradually phased out. A bad approach: FIREPLACES KILL PEOPLE AND CAUSE AUTISM.

Here’s an example from today’s opinion page – and I should not that all that follows is your host’s opinion as well. It’s a frank and open exchange of views, as they say in the diplomatic circles. Anyway. Says the author: “We’re snuffing secondhand tobacco smoke, but we continue to romanticize recreational wood burning – a hazard all its own.” If that didn’t strike sufficient terror into your heart, read on: “One big source of air pollution – as deadly as vehicle exhaust, and with many of the same toxicants as cigarette smoke – is wood smoke.”

I have different standards for “Deadly.” A whiff of vehicle exhaust: not deadly. A whiff of chlorine gas: deadly.

You may not realize you are required to inhale deadly smoke, but you are:

“All citizens are forced to breathe outdoor air that smells of smoke in many neighborhoods, night and day, in all seasons.

“There is so much smoke, either faint or heavy, that many hardly notice it anymore. But wood smoke is there, heavy in most neighborhoods at night or around our many wood-fired restaurants, if you stop to notice.

“How did this happen in a city such as Minneapolis, which has long been focused on improving air quality for the health of its citizens?”

I don’t know. I do know that the air quality index in the Twin Cities is 22 right now, on a scale of 1 to 300. It’s pretty clean. Take a look back at the old photos of Minneapolis in the 40s and 50s; everything was covered in soot. The white terra-cotta-clad Medical Arts Building looked like your teeth after you’d eaten a pound of licorice. It's better now. But of course it's not perfect.

After a recitation of the deadly power of woodsmoke, we get to this:

“Why, then, do people continue to burn? First, because they don't know how harmful it is. Second, because it is strongly promoted by the hearth and home industry.”

Yes, you’ve been seduced by Big Wood and the mind-blinding promotions of the all-powerful hearth industry.  It has nothing to do with your own enjoyment of the fire, the aroma, the crackle and snap of the flames, the emotive ancestral connection with the first invention to set us apart from the animals. The beasts fled from fire. We mastered it! We held it aloft and pierced the dark! We -

Sorry, I was seduced by the usual propaganda from Big Anthropology.  Here’s the final reason why we burn:

“And third, because burning wood is an addiction.”

If that’s the case – and I have no doubt it’s true, since people wouldn’t throw around a clinical term like that without hard  science to back it up – then it’s a curiously non-addictive addiction. I probably burn four fires a year – Thanksgiving, Christmas, the occasional dinner party.  Which leads me to the Obligatory Disclaimer: I actually prefer a gas fire. It lacks the psychological je ne sais quoi of a real fire, but it heats up the room better, and you don’t have to clean up the ashes. (Not that I ever do.) It works with a remote, too, and there’s nothing like using a remote to turn on a fire that makes you feel all modern and special.

The author’s group, Take Back the Air, is also opposed to scented laundry products - one of the "top 3 neighborhood air polluters" -  charcoal grills, and “fragrances.”  They would also like you to stop using essential oils to make the house smell nice. Fireplaces, you suspect, are just the start.

Incidentally, the author is a realtor, and according to her page, is currently representing the sale of a house with a wood burning fireplace. To be fair, the listing’s picture shows candles in the fireplace.

Hope they’re not scented.

Agree? Disagree? Is there middle ground here? Discuss. 


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Whatever...

Can we start with banning lawn-mowing? I'm severely allergic to grass, so the cut grass smell is NOT a pleasant smell to me... And, the exhaust from those lawn mowers has GOT to be contributing to air pollution somehow... And isn't it healthier for the environment to allow grass to grow as it pleases???

(I'm joking! Don't flame me!! Oh, wait, you can't flame me because that's polluting the air. ha ha)

I'll agree to banning fireplaces as soon as it's free to heat my home by other means AND it's proven that those other means don't pollute the environment any more than wood burning does. I know many, many people who use fireplaces or wood-burning stoves to keep heating costs down in the winter.


Cleaner air

Old-timers like me remember when not too long ago the way you disposed of your trash -- and leaves-- in the Twin Cities was by burning. I miss the smell of burning leaves, but I guess that was highly carcinogenic. So we must be cleaner now than we were fifty years ago.
Ban baby ban. But then Our Mother Earth comes along and messes it all up with a forest fire.


Mother Earth, that pyromaniac...

Funny how Nature can get away with murder. For example, if I behaved like a tornado, I'd be sent to therapy to learn how to manage my anger. (but that's a tangent.) good comment by the way. mjb


Ban Forest Fires

Maybe we should ban forest fires since these give off many times the smoke of fireplaces.


Smoke and Mirrors

MPCA air quality readings in areas where you'd expect many, many people to be burning wood in fireplaces, stoves and boilers during this cold weather range from 10 in Brainerd to 1 in Detroit Lakes. What's wrong with this picture? And why is Rochester - on the treeless prairie - at 51?


Addicted to fire

Is it the fire I am addicted to or the heat? I prefer staying warm.

We live in a semi-rural area with no convenient gas pipes from the city. You want gas, you get a tank and have it trucked up to the house. We do not own the house and the wood stove* is the central heating. There were some electric heating contraptions installed when Truman was president, I am not touching them.

RevDHW is correct, the recent fire in the San Diego and Los Angeles area easily put out more "pollutants" in mere minutes than we and our neighbors could put out in a lifetime of wood burning.

*generally no one dependent on wood for most of their heating burns it in an open fireplace. You use a wood stove that are designed to be very efficient burners with minimized smoke.


Everyone prefers burning

Everyone prefers burning fossil fuels[gas,coal, oil, electricy]instead of wood? What the hell!!! Wood is grown right here, and new inventions are being put in place that reburns emissions and eliminates 95 percent of the pollutants. But I suppose,just keep on being dependant on foreign sources of energy. Now that makes sense!!!!


Absolutely true bgbear

We moved into a house that has a wood burning stove from the late seventies called an Earth Stove. It is incredibly efficient with little smoke, and the blowers give out a great deal of heat. Yes, my husband has not only become addicted to fires, but also to chopping down trees, cutting, curing, and stacking wood, and his Husqvarna chainsaw. As far as hobbies go, it could be worse, and he only cuts down dead trees which will help PREVENT fires!

An added benefit-we also burn our cardboard (I know, you shouldn't burn printed cardboard) but our garbage goes from three cans in the summer to one in the winter. Doesn't that cancel out the carcinogens?


Like alot of people, I have

Like alot of people, I have developed asthma. I'm told it's not even that severe. I live in south MPLS, between 55 and the river. The houses here are so close together, you can practically hand your neighbor a cup of sugar, window to window. Anyway, on certain days, the smoke from wood burning stoves and outdoor fire rings can hang so thick to the ground that I can't be outside. I can't have my windows open. I finally put in central air, and an electric air filter, but I miss having fresh air on spring and fall days. I'm not whining about the smell--I actually cannot breath. I think at some point, we are going to have to get real about population density and the rights of individuals to burn stuff on their properties. If someone misses "the good old days" or has access to cheap firewood--I'm sorry. This is a public health issue.


A Wonder That We Are Not All Dead

My mother and father both drank alcohol and smoked before and after I was born probably during as well. Growing up we never had seat belts in the car, and if we did – they were usually stuck somewhere under the seat; we played with the mercury that leaked out of the thermometer after it broke on the floor (what fun), and the toys that came out of our Cracker Jacks box were all made out of lead. We didn’t wear helmets when we rode our bikes and lawn darts, yes, the ones with the pointy ends, were lots of fun. We used to spray DDT wherever we damn well pleased and covered just about everything with the miracle, heat resistant coating of asbestos. It’s a wonder any of us survived.


Still Alive Here

I didn't have all the thrills you had, but I came close. A lot of our toys were made in China or other outside countries. Taiwan was the main place for most of the toys, especially the little trinkets that came in the colored plastic eggs or clear bubbles in the machines at the front of the store. All the pieces were smaller than the cardboard tube from a roll of toilet paper but we never swallowed them. Most kids stayed out late, and we knew it was time to go home when the streetlights came on. I think Sinbad made a joke about that.

We rode our bikes without helmets, knee pads, or shoulder pads. If we fell, we got back up and continued to ride. If we fell down and/or hurt ourselves at a friend's house, we didn't sue. Their parents patched us up and gave us a cookie as if we were their own children. We wore the band-aids like Medals of Honor. We had more free time than kids do today. How did we arrange a play date? "Can Jeremy come out to play?" "Sure, he'll be out in a couple of minutes." There. Play date set.

We didn't need energy drinks or lattes to keep us energized. We got our energy off of good ol' Vitamin Sunshine. We didn't worry about getting sunburned or heat exhaustion. Again, like the scabs, sunburns were Medals of Valor or Honor.

PatrickRsGhost


Wood smoke is the problem

If wood burning stoves are such a problem, why don't we ban cars, as well, since there are more cars than wood burning stoves. They also cause much more pollution. And has anyone noticed, air quality ratings have worsened since they quit emissions testing?


This guy has a hard sell

This guy has a hard sell ahead of him. I, like most people love the smell of a wood fire. This is true even if it is somebody else having the fire.

No, this is just another environmental extremist and like most lefty's he feels he should tell us all what we should or should not be able to do.

My reaction will be to burn twice as many fires in my fireplace. There is no middle ground. These kooks must be stopped.


They'll have to pry my fire poker from my cold, dead hand!

Is there middle ground here? With this crowd, the answer is no. For folks like the writer whom you quote, environmentalism is as basic an item of faith as transubstantiation or the virgin birth is to Catholicism. How can they compromise? They know what's best for everyone, and they won't be satisfied until everyone has seen the light -- by force of law, if necessary.

Oddly, these folks have nothing but disdain for missionary efforts in the traditional religious context, as being "culturally insensitive."


Fire. Good. Smoke. Better.

The oldest source of air pollution is wood smoke. It was good air pollution. Reasonable air pollution. Useful air pollution. People used it (and some still do) to flavor meat they've killed. They've used it to signal one another. They've even used it for meditational and/or medicinal purposes (again, some still do).

Nobody has complained about wood smoke until now. People have complained about factory smoke, cigarette smoke, vehicle exhaust, and other artificial forms of air pollution since they first came about, but no one as far as I know has complained about wood smoke pollution until now.

I love the smell of wood smoke in the Fall and Winter. It's one of the sure-fire signs (pun intended) that Fall is here, and Winter will be paying us a call shortly. If I don't smell wood smoke or leaves burning in Fall, then something's wrong. My internal seasonal clock gets messed up. It can't be Halloween. I don't smell leaves burning. It's not Thanksgiving or Christmas yet. I haven't seen nor smelled wood smoke coming from someone's fireplace.

If you want to ban fireplaces, ban the gas ones. You know the ones - with the fake ceramic logs strictly for decoration. Those aren't real fireplaces. A real fireplace is one where you can throw any form of a dead tree into it, light a match, and let it burn, baby, burn. It makes one feel good. It brings out that primal instinct long-ago forgotten from centuries and centuries of evolved civilization.

PatrickRsGhost


mmmm...smokie...

I'm giving up wood-fires so I can start smoking again.

Thank you anti-fireplace lady!


air pollution

I have no problem with the fireplaces. We are told though that the air pollution from LAX is going to harm us. The following was from a Westchester/Playa Del Rey news group.

"Check out this article at the Daily Breeze!

"Jerry Brown to petition EPA on aircraft emissions
Attorney general plans to begin his clean-air crusade today at LAX.
"Aviation is a large and rapidly growing source of greenhouse gases," he
says.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ articles/ 12142566. html

I have long hoped that pollution from aircraft would become an issue in
the public eye and start getting serious attention . . .

Carole"


yes, how did we manage not to kill ourselves?

We all washed our hands and faces with bar soap too, remember that? We didn't have a whole slew of products that were anti-bacterial, and of course, there were no SuperBugs either. We were germed and as healthy as a horse. Does anyone else wonder why so many diseases are so prevalent these days?? Hmmm....I wonder why!?

I can recall, prior to the leaf burning ban, standing in our backyard in the Fall and feeling like I could hardly breathe for the amount of smoke in the air. Sometimes it simply hung over the neighborhood like a pall.

But I can't even begin to tell you how much I love that smell, and the smell of a wood fire. It's pure nostalgia; it's from a time when there wasn't worry over every tiny little detail of life, neighbors knew each other and watched over everyone's kids and we slept with a little oscillating fan in the summer. Who had central air??

Fireplaces in homes aren't the best bet, yes it's true. They are highly inefficient, and I do believe that homes built within the past 10 years cannot have wood fireplaces installed (correct me if I am wrong, it's been known to happen). Yet with the onslaught of some very natural looking gas fireplaces, one can have heat and some ambiance without the mess.

But try to take away my outdoor firepit and you'll get a fight. Even a hint of woodsmoke in the air on that first cool night in the fall, and the nostalgia washes over me. What will be banned next? Windows??? What!? They leak!!!


Not in my house, but you're welcome to yours

I can't use my fireplace--never have been able to, since my flue is stuck shut (if I had a fire in my house, it would really end up being a fire in my house), and fixing that has been neither a deal-breaker nor a priority. But, that being said, I add my voice to the chorus of those who wish the nanny-staters would go find a really good hobby and leave the rest of us alone.

(And it was ironic that this subject came up on the same day that someone posted a picture of Jarts on the front page. I played with those all the time as a kid and never once put an eye out.)


I love my fireplace

When my wife and I built a new home three years ago, she wanted a gas fireplace with fake logs. Such heresy. I dug in my heels and insisted on a wood-burning fireplace. I know it's messier, a chore to carry out the ashes, the log stack attracts termites and spiders, the bark falls off the logs and dirties up the carpet, and the chimney sucks out more hot air than it puts in the house. But my childhood memories of starting a fire in the fireplace on snowy, frigid evenings, of sitting in front of the fire until my back baked so hot . . . those are the same memories I wanted my kids to have. Two weeks ago, we got our first real cold snap. My daughters pleaded with me to build a fire so they could toast marshmallows and drink hot chocolate. How could I say no?

off topic, most obvious headline of the day: "Two killed in Minneapolis double-homicide." Really?


Fire in AZ

After 25 years in Minneapolis, we moved to Arizona, and when we built our house here we made sure that the builder installed a fireplace.

Of course, it's gas.

The fireplace in our St Louis Park home wasn't gas. Nor, after 25 years, was it safe. A combination of soot and squirrels had infested the chimney.

Rebuilding it? $5000. Replacing it with a gas fireplace? $1800. Guess which we did.

I love a good wood fire. My father lives five miles from the nearest town in the family homestead of 40 years ago, on a lake in northern Minnesota. (No, I promise not to go all "Lake Wobegon" on you.) But Dad has three fireplaces. If you count the outdoor brick barbeque, he has four. And when we visit 10 degree Minnesota this Christmas, I expect that all of them will be flaming. I hope for nothing less. There are kids involved, and he's promised were gonna make Smores.

And tonight when the temp here in Phoenix reaches below 50, I'll hit the switch and turn on the fireplace.

We even need fire in Phoenix.


Best Phrase of the Day

Everyone seems to have covered the fireplace topic very thoroughly, so I just want to say that I think James' best phrase of the day is:

"Yes, you’ve been seduced by Big Wood and the mind-blinding promotions...."

It sounds like it could be part of a review on the back of an adult-entertainment DVD. Not that I've ever read any of those.


Oh Please!

I can't imagine not having a fireplace. It gets chilly out here on the Left Coast.

Oh, and lest I forget, fireworks. Ban them too. Drive Mr. Pyro and me right out of business.


What's the Incentive?

Well, maybe it’s time that the local government started giving us tax incentives to install cleaner, more efficient wood or pellet inserts. That’s called a compromise.


BWSteve-

I know a woman who developed a horrible allergy to flexible plastic.

No, I'm not kidding.

She was a reporter, and eventually she had to do all interviews by phone or have folks come over, remove anything that contained the chemicals used to make flexible plastic and give an interview.

She passed away last year.

Why should everyone else be forced to change their lifestyle because someone is unfortunate enough to end up with a problem?


buttwinksteve (not verified, natch)

I think at some point, we are going to have to get real about population density and the rights of individuals to burn stuff on their properties.

I prefer living among a less dense population, so to speak.


First they came for my fireplace...

This fireplace prohibition is merely a prelude to something even more frightening. The news comes (via FoxNews 11/30) from our colony to the North:
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Scientists have found a new threat to the planet: Canadian beer drinkers.

The government-commissioned study says the old, inefficient "beer fridges" that one in three Canadian households use to store their Molson and Labatt's contribute significantly to global warming by guzzling gas- and coal-fired electricity.

"People need to understand the impact of their lifestyles," British environmental consultant Joanna Yarrow tells New Scientist magazine. "Clearly the environmental implications of having a frivolous luxury like a beer fridge are not hitting home. This research helps inform people — let's hope it has an effect."

University of Alberta researcher Denise Young, who led the study, suggests that provincial authorities hold beer-fridge buy-backs or round-ups to eliminate the threat — methods that Americans use to get guns off the streets.
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Got it? That frivolous appliance you've out in the garage or in the basement is akin to a gun pointed at the heart of Gaia. You may give it up peaceful-like, or by...er...other means.


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