The Billion Dollar Whatever

Didn’t see this coming: the cost for the Twins ballpark might rise, and taxpayers might be “on the hook,” a phrase usually reserved for dead meat in a warehouse locker. It’s not just the $320-per-hour legal fees that makes the story so delightful; it’s the wrangle over the value of the site. You’d think they’d get these things out of the way first.

Remember, Hennepin County residents, you have to pay for the ballpark. It’s against the law not to pay for the ballpark. The only question is whether we’ll go through this again with the Vikings. The Twins site is supposed to be an urban village, with housing, hotels, retail, all served by light rail. The Vikings site is supposed to be an urban village on the other side of town, with housing, hotels, and retail, all served by light rail, and I’ll bet good money today we’ll end up paying for that one, too. It’s like they’re setting up competing small camps for the forthcoming Mad-Max-like post-nuclear apocalypse. Where you from, lad? Ye have the look of a Twinser about ye, and this be the land of the Viqueans.

It’s possible that the Twins site will flourish – it’s already in a part of town with plenty of condo-and-loft development, so it has a leg up on the deadlands of the Vikings site. We were promised lots of development around the Dome, too, and what did we get? One bar. One. If the planners of the site came back and saw what their work had produced, they would’ve been convinced prohibition had been reintroduced, because there’s no possible other explanation for building a gigantic sports arena that produces exactly ONE bar before the development sputters out and the area sits dead for 20 years.

But a new stadium, at taxpayer expense – sure, that’ll do the trick. A billion-dollar Viking stadium seems absolutely inevitable, and we’ll be on the hook for that one as well. If you’re a sports fan who’s untroubled by this sort of subsidy, you’re happy. If you’re not a sports fan, and you’re untroubled by this sort of subsidy, you might be thinking: okay, where’s my playpen? Let’s imagine that the Legislature decided to mollify some opponents, and offered the non-sports-fans a billion-dollar whatever. They don’t care what it is. Just come up with a brand-new billion-dollar whatever, figure out what it looks like, and the statue will have it built.

What would you suggest?


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billion-dollar whatever

Public baths / swimming pool complex w/library adjunct.


Free Money

They do this to us in the Seattle area, and I suspect that any pretty biggish city with pretty okay sports teams gets the same song and dance: a new arena/dome/sportsplex is just what the local team needs to go straight to the championship! And if they don't get it, well, gee, there've been some reports of rumors that they might consider negotiating moving to Arizona, and no one wants that. And besides, look at how the new thingy will grow the downtown area: think of all the new bars, taverns, pubs, alehouses, watering holdes, and sports apparel shops! And bars!

My entertainments aren't broadly popular enough to pay their own way either, so I guess I'll keep grumbling but get in line for a hand out, too: I want a new opera/ballet/live theater place -- with plenty of bars, of course. I wonder where we'll get the money to attract acts worth going to see?


how about, a smart state?

one that pays for the things it boasts of... like good schools, good medical care, good roads, fine safe state parks and campgrounds.

none of which has been done since the last time the Twins won a world series. it's all been deferred, defaced, detracted, downsized, no-new-taxes'ed, and Jesse Check'ed.

a billion dollars there would be a good start.


Normally Michael Moore annoys me...

...but he did come up with a perfect phrase for this situation:
Corporate Welfare.

So far Portland has been more or less avoiding this, thanks to the fact that every time the Trailblazers ask for more people look at them and answer, "Dude, Paul freakin' Allen owns you - he co-founded Microsoft - let him pay for it."

And amazingly enough the legislature of the Socialist State of Oregon has managed to ignore the whole thing. Which is a good thing, since shiny objects that attract their attention tend to get money shoveled at them.


I wish I had a Billion dollars to get...

A comprehensive rail transit system that doesn't involve street grade crossings!

A deal to produce Minne Disneyland! (Come to where the snow is REAL! Heck, with Global Warming, Minnesota will be the new Florida. It's inevitable.)

A movie studio complex so we can attract high-paying jobs -- you know, extras in establishing shots in movies shot elsewhere.

A real LegoLand.

Jacob


New Stadium

In what may be the only time the Mass. State Legislators ever got anything right - or ignored an opportunity to raise our taxes - they refused to fund a new statium for the NE Patriots. The Krafts threatened to move to all sorts of places. Of course what they did was build a beautiful new stadium at their own expense. Of course they also built a Superbowl winning team at the same time which enabled them to charge $$$ for the tickets. Good for them - that's the way it is supposed to work.


Yoerg-topia

I am a sports fan and have seen first-hand how the Coors Field ballpark helped contribute to revitalizing a goodly swath of Denver.

That being said, most big public works projects are to some extent, boondoggles.

If there were to be a big boondoggle in southeastern Minnesota, I think it ought to be for the benefit of sots. Boozeyland, perhaps, where an amibitious drinker could lap up all manner of liquid courage and then safely head home via public transit. The only parking lot would be for employees.

OK, I'd really like for Boozeyland to be in Denver, but I know we'd never get it through the remaining neo-prohibitionists. However the Metrodome has the plumbing in place already!


Minnesota Twins or ????

Minnesota Twins, eh? Likely we can't rename the team, but how about we name the stadium "Taxpayer Stadium."

Say, is there a problem with the mail? I have yet to get my thank you note from all those making money on the project.


It annoys me that Michael

It annoys me that Michael Moore is being credited with coming up with the phrase "Corporate Welfare". According to Wiki-pedia, it was coined in 1956 by Ralph Nader. I can't vouch for Nader's authorship, but I would guess that the phrase is about 50 years old. So unless Moore was inventing neologisms pre-utero, I don't think we need to give him credit for this. Credit for tendentious and tedious pseudo-documentaries? Sure!


Pride

Last time I got into a conversation about this with a supporter of the Twins stadium subsidy. He remarked that is was a "Civic Pride" thing with him.

Got to thinking about it and you know, it's a "Civic Pride" thing with me too. I'd be proud to be part of a community that stood it's ground in the face of the threats by the local sports teams.

btw. Does that Billion Dollar price tag include the cost of the light rail line to service it. You know, the same kind of light rail that cost a Billion Dollars to connect to Mall of America.


amazing

it's amazing to me that the Strib would ever dare to attack the dome site for not developing when they held on to the surface lots surrounding half of the building like a mother with a child in a swollen river.

what's sad is that people who were willing partners, at a predetermined price have decided to screw taxpayers. worse still, all we here is how these are 'reasonable landowners'... what a load of bunk. hines and LPII are the clear villans here, having brokered a deal that gives us the shaft. The county did right by the taxpayers in trying to get the land more appropriately valued. a value, by the way, that LPII agreed in principle to just last year.

As for the Vikings, we'll see. It appears the Strib, now in more dire finanical straits, is willing to part with their dome area land.


A billion dollar...

road.

MNDOT would never go for it though. They hate roads and drivers.


Build a Bar

You know. For a lot less they could just cut out the middle man and just build a bar. Maybe even make it a multiplex: sophisticated in one part - martinis, jacket and tie; sports bar in another - big screen TVs, flowing wings; Girlie bar in another - Cosmopolitans, lots of plants, Michael Bolton. Keep going on - country, biker, alcoholics unanimous. Maybe even a changing room so you could switch characters while going from one bar to another.

Of course, the government could never get this right. But it's not more unrealistic than thinking that the current projects are going to work the way they say they will.


re: Build a Bar

That's pretty much the Boozeyland idea. A cafeteria of iconic, even archetypal bars. Perhaps a discreet Ruttatorium or two for good measure.

A pub crawl under one roof with no parking.

Previous efforts to deter drunk driving are all punitive and all try to punish drinkers. Why not make allowances for drinking but in a car-free environment?


One Bar?

One bar! That's awesome! That's one more than they have around Shea Stadium, and it's one more than they're going to have around the new Shea Stadium when it's finished in a couple of years...


Boozeyland

Brilliant!

The Tippling Center, served by light rail; probably the only thing that would get people out that prefer shopping from laptops.

The changing rooms were a nice touch....


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Sports vs. Safe Bridges

I think that it is a real crime that politicians and their sports cohorts would rather spend a Billion Dollars on a stadium than safe bridges. How many more bridges will collapse while this new stadium is being built?


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